This is why even if Dems take the house and Senate, and the POTUS, nothing will be done to prosecute any of these criminals. They’ll do the same shit that Biden did and drag their feet.

Still would rather they be running the show, but fucking hell…someone giving up because they don’t think they could convince a jury…has he been paying attention in MN?

You are incorrect on near all accounts here pal. Horses originated in North America and were hunted to extinction 10k years back by the clovis hunters. They were originally the size of dogs, and at some point made it across the Beiring Strait when frozen.

This is like suggesting that elephants are the same as woolly mammoths… they’re not even remotely the same thing. The horses today are not even close, the Spanish brought them here a few hundred years ago.

Wolves and Mountain Lions absolutely will kill and eat horses.

Yep, they sure will, but they’re not going to control the population at all. A wolf/pumas main food source is deer/elk. Not horses.

Ranchers and the right wing in general absolutely did not realize it was a mistake to kill them, in fact they are trying to finish the job and extirpate them from the continent. Idk where you were left with the impression ranchers stopped killing wolves and pumas. They like to tell their people to shoot, shovel, and shut up, about killing them illegally.

This I will admit shocked me a bit, the last time I spoke with some of my friends who are ranchers they liked the idea of the wolves coming back. Most were were worried about the damage that the deer population has caused, which is completely out of control. Seeing that this is no longer the case, and that ranchers are pissed because they lose a few cows a year is a bit ridiculous on their part.

And there are precious few wolves left. A couple thousand in Minnesota, a couple hundred in Michigan, a couple lone packs in the north cascades, (they killed an entire pack some years back, one of only a few,) and yellowstone has some. Not comprehensive, but those are the biggest populations of wolves that I am aware of, not sure of the Sierra Nevadas it seems like they must have some too.

https://www.fws.gov/species/gray-wolf-canis-lupus

So looks like I’m out of the loop on the timeline. They delisted in 2020 and relisted them in 2022. Interesting, I was under the impression they had a healthy population.

Those are not natural predators of a horse though. And most ranchers and farmers now have realized how big of a mistake that was killing off the predators, which are making huge comebacks because they realize how bad it was for the ecosystem.

Horses are also not native to the US. They’re way faster than a buffalo and a lot more dangerous.

They’ve been doing this way way before the turd got into office. The BLM, used to pay you to take one of these horses. They’re wild mustangs and have 0 flight and all fight. They mainly do this so they keep the population in check, since… surprise they have no real predators.

On top of all this, horse slaughter has been going on for decades, unfortunately it’s banned in the USA, which is fucking stupid. So horses get shipped to Mexico and Canada. Trips that can take days and have horses packed into trailers. These dumbass rescues thought they were doing everyone a favor getting it banned. Turns out it created way way more neglect. Instead of people bringing their pet to the sale and knowing it would be slaughtered a few miles down the road, they keep the thing and it withers away, or it goes to the sale anyways and then shipped thousands of miles away.

Horse slaughter needs to be legalized again, the animal shouldn’t waste away in a field and if, after death it can become feed, then that should happen. Poisoning the animal and then the ground is a waste and a terrible thing.

Bryant told The Trace that the CDC’s decision to restore the numbers was a “shame.” He dismissed the figures as “nothing more than gross estimates based on limited surveys.” Hughes, meanwhile, called the agency’s move “disappointing but unsurprising,” adding, “It is the politically motivated laundering of disinformation that has become a hallmark of the Trump administration’s approach to all scientific inquiry, and gun violence is no exception.”

Funny coming from the guy who runs the GVA which includes school gun violence that isn’t researched at all. Yet reported as fact. So much so that even NPR reported on how badly the GVA did.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

The BLM has been selling these for decades. You can get one and they paid you (1k) if you kept it for a year. Then you could drop it at a sale and make more money off it. This isn’t just a trump thing. It’s been going on for a long while now.

Israel…El-Sayed isn’t supporting Israel… that’s why these Zionist are wanting to have their followers vote for the GOP…

What are you talking about…all those tax breaks they need… otherwise they might not be able to pay the CEO their bonuses… I mean seriously think of those people for once. What are we supposed to do let them fail? No gotta bail them out when they fuck up.

If the Dems get power…they actually have to prosecute him. Which… hopefully happens but I’m not holding my breath for it.

I don’t want them to fade. I want them to split the gop so they lose all their control.

Renaming the on prem servers to “cloud” was hilarious.

Yea lot of companies are filled to the brim with idiots running the show. They lose talent but they don’t care so long as the next quarter looks good on paper.

Get a P.O. Box way away from the office. Say you moved. Open bank account in county of said P.O box. Bam back to wfh…and you don’t have to move. If they ask why you still have your home, tell them your renting it out.

Ah yes…Fauci was the one misleading the public…not the turnip who was peddling bleach and fucking horse dewormer…

India the country is not poor as fuck. It’s a nuclear power. Even after the west stripped it for profit, it still has absurds amount of wealth and resources.

So does pretty much every middle east country…and it’s consolidated at the top.

The other big difference is that while the power and money is consolidated to a segment of the population, that segment is very large compared to most countries.

Ratio wise, it’s probably less than you think. Remember India has 1.4 billion people.

And overall, you have the direction wrong. The middle east doesn’t export these people. The west accepts them as refugees. But because of the wealth of india, their refugees rarely get accepted. So the religous nutjobs still exist (I’ve worked with some), they just stay in country. They stone their own people for being gay, or refusing to marry their rapist and all that.

There are a good number of people from India all over the west though. I do agree that a lot of the EU takes in refugees at the expense of their own people though.

Don’t forget they also have some code that tried to ddos db0 instance as well for anyone visiting it the rant page.

Yeah? Assuming you’re not just being disingenuous, that’s entirely unrelated to your original accusation.

And no, not even close. My comment is because everything in this entire chain has been pointing out how western powers caused this. So please stop copping out and trying to suggest it’s not.

Ascribing a direct material cause to a terrorist attack is nowhere near the same as claiming it to be “fighting the good fight”. You’re attacking a view that doesn’t even exist here.

Which comes from the OP posting this:

People are people. They need resources to build proper lives. Lacking that, they believe they have to fight.

Aka, they don’t have the proper resources to build proper lives and need to fight to get that. So yes my reply of fighting the good fight fits here.

Anyway, since the rest of your replies here, including this one, are riddled with anecdotal bias, false equivalences and arguments from personal belief, I doubt I’ll be able to have anything comparable to a productive conversation with you, at least when it comes to this topic. Hopefully you’ll be able to get to the top of the hill with your boulder eventually and somehow manage to have a good interaction solely through the use of fallacious if not outright irrational reasoning.

Right, I’m the one suggesting that the west is to blame for a islamists ramming a van into a pride parade.

Do you people even hear the shit you say anymore?

More tolerating the intolerant…

You may not be, but the other posters are, and I keep circling around on this one but India is a great example of western powers literally owning them, and they just got their freedom less than 100 years ago and they’re not exporting religious nutjobs. And they’re poor as fuck, and have way more people than the middle east does.

Why does Israel exist in place of Palestine? Because of the British policy of Zionism.

Yep…and did that cause this extremist to ram a van into a pride parade?

Why did the Islamic Revolution happen in Iran in 1979? It was a direct response to the coup orchestrated by the CIA in 1953.

The IR happened because the shah was a dictator, and Khomeini promised a more democratic country. It’s why you saw a ton of Persians from the left (students) supporting him. The CIA did have a hand in the 53 coup, but acting like the gov. Iran has now is better is a fuckin joke.

Why did the Taliban orchestrate 9/11 despite being allies with the US against the Soviet Union in the 1980s? Because the CIA instigated the war covertly, destroyed millions of lives and empowered religious extremist warlords to dominate Afghanistan for the next 40 years.

Wait wait, you think that 9/11 happened because the CIA gave the Taliban weapons and money? You do realize that 9/11 wasn’t really done by the Taliban right? The Saudis had the biggest hand in it, and bin laden ended up being the fall guy.

To say the West isn’t the root cause here is ignorant and lacks a historical perspective.

Again to say the west is the root cause is ignoring all the other countries that the west has been fucking with. India…the literally just got their independence from the British less than 100 years ago. A country of 1.4 billion people, and they don’t seem to be fucking ramming vans into pride parades… what’s your excuse for them?

Bro you’re complete bullshit. I’m sorry your precious West has done so much evil across the world.

O…o I’m dealing with a tankie…fuckin hell.

It’s not a whataboutism, it’s a necessary comparison to make it clear that the Middle-East is inherently just as violent as any other part of the world. Though seeing as we’re all predominantly from European/Western countries, the comparison to Europe is especially relevant, considering the rampant bigotry and misconceptions toward the Middle-East and the Arab peoples.

No it’s Whataboutism. Please show me this rampant bigotry that is all over the EU… it’s not. It’s a fringe section that’s popped up because people are tired of being tolerant of the intolerant.

You linked to a super long Wikipedia page without even bothering to quote any relevant information. Regardless, as I and the person you’re replying to mentioned, all you’re really proving is that the Middle-East isn’t any more violent than Europe, Asia, Africa, etc.

Please, go to the middle east and let me know how that works out for you.

And besides, the original point brought up was about the modern Middle-East, not its past. As it stands now, the Middle-East wouldn’t be even remotely as chaotic as it is now had the West not taken such gratuitous advantage of it. You can spin the facts any way you want, but you can’t get around that.

Yea, because India is pumping out terrorism like the middle east is…and so is Africa. Both of which are being taken advantage of…even today.

And why do you think said states need oil to be prosperous? The economies of those nations aren’t happening in a vacuum. Globalization has been a thing for centuries now. Western countries need the oil, and the Middle-East has the oil. Add capitalist greed into the mix — a western product — and there you have it.

Wait wait, so your excuse for the places that are prosperous is because they’re exporting oil and not driving vans through crowds of LGBTQ+ persons…at a pride parade. Hot take there…next you’re going to tell me Canada is prosperous because they export steel and wood to other countries…and oil… I don’t recall the last time someone in a van with a maple flag on it rammed a bunch of LGBTQ+ persons at a pride parade.

What was that about whataboutisms again? Because you’re literally doing the exact same thing here. Completely unrelated. Not only that, but nobody here ever even insinuated violence like that is a good thing. What a weird thing to fabricate.

You’re kidding right? They absolutely suggested that this attack is because of the west. That’s all you and the other guy have been suggesting. That they’re fighting back, because the west has been over there for a century fucking with them. As I said before, India literally just gained independence…in 1947…yes this past century, less than 100 years ago…they don’t seem to have people migrating to the EU and ramming vans into pride parades.