That was never my argument. Even after WWII there were the Nuremberg trials. Justice should always be there for anyone who committed a war crime regardless of which side of the war they were on and regardless of which country.

Time will reveal all things. As of now there is no way to know between us which is correct and which is not. I suspect more violence won’t aid in bringing lasting peace and that’s more violence from both sides, not just one or the other.

The way things are looking currently scenario two seems to be becoming more likely short of external help. If enough assistance is given to stem Israeli aggression the fight will likely continue later which would bring us to scenario three and possibly at that time back to scenario two.

Now for the mystery scenario four, aka both get wiped out. It is very possible if we reach ASI and it goes rogue or there’s a biosphere collapse due to humanities continued destruction of the global environment. I don’t assume both would get wiped out anytime soon by a third party so I’m mostly assuming it would happen through some global event. Something apocalyptic. In that case all this suffering would have been for nothing quite unfortunately. Both parties lose.

It’s a hypothetical. In reality there’s only so many scenarios here. The fighting stops and they work out a peace agreement. One side fully wipes out the other. The fighting continues as is until the end of time. I personally wish for the first scenario, but it seems you think only the second or third scenario are possible as of now. I guess there’s also the scenario where both sides get wiped out.

I’m not arguing really anything you are saying beyond one thing. When I said I hope not one more person dies from war and everyone on earth can know peace I meant everyone. That infers that any aggressor stops their aggression and that we start working together to know peace. I feel that if the fighting actually stopped (and yes I am aware there have been false ceasefires and bad faith peace talks) and I mean actually stopped right now this moment that trading that for killing more people would be unfortunate. It would be of a greater service to those who come after us to forge peace so that they may know peace.

It’s a philosophical question but if you personally had the choice over actual lasting peace and wellbeing vs killing more people which will likely not bring actual lasting peace and wellbeing (may even condemn many more generations on both sides to suffering) what would you choose for yourself and future generations?

I will go through their response and check their links and if it’s a good faith discussion then I will likely continue.

I am sure somehow more war and death will bring peace unlike the rest of human history where more war and death caused more war and death. I am positive this time is different.

You asked a question, I answered your question, I apologize I guess.

I never said I refuse. I am currently in transport. It’s not conducive to a proper response, just short messages such as this. Also I never said that scrutinizing wasn’t important. I’m not sure your response has much to do with what I said in my previous message.

I’ll be back soon. I’m moving around now… it’s not conducive to a proper response.

Ideally not one more human dies from war and we can start the process of healing. I think that you can see historically that fighting fire with fire tends to burn everything and everyone. It becomes fuel for group X to revenge on group Y which itself becomes fuel for group Y to revenge on group X and ultimately no one and most definitely not the future generation will know peace.

Either that or one sentence gets picked out of the response and the whole rest of the response gets ignored. It becomes somewhat pointless.

You’re welcome to come and see for yourself to verify your words in person. I can bring you to places and have you ask the people they employ yourself.

I’m pretty sure one of the hallmarks of mental wellbeing is acceptance and being at peace with whatever has been or will come to pass (that’s not to say being passive or an inactive blob). Also as a monk she’s not a wealthy person. I have doubts material things, fortune, or fame would tickle their fancy like the types you’re speaking of but I don’t know them personally so we’re both making an uneducated bet.

Now for myself personally, I would use the word magical more seriously to explain the transformation in me before and after I had acceptance and even gratitude towards my personal hardships. That said I appreciate your scrutiny, may it be there for all stories and not just self help as grifters will grift with anything they can such as religion, politics, culture, any stories that anyone is paying any attention to.

I’m pretty sure one of the hallmarks of mental wellbeing is acceptance and being at peace with whatever has been or will come to pass. Also as a monk she’s not a wealthy person. I have doubts material things, fortune, or fame would tickle their fancy like the types you’re speaking of. Now for myself personally, I would use the word magical more seriously to explain the transformation in me before and after I had acceptance and even gratitude towards my personal hardships. That said I appreciate your scrutiny, may it be there for all stories and not just self help as grifters will grift with anything they can such as religion, politics, culture, any stories that anyone is paying any attention to.

Depends on one’s definition of magical I would imagine. For instance yesterday someone told me their meal was awesome, but was it awesome by definition? I have doubts.

I think we’re both without links, aren’t we. Now from my understanding we were speaking about China and not the US or anyone else. You are correct though that getting accurate information about what is happening in China is not easy.

Now I can post links but then you will tell me any information I bring is corrupt or propaganda so we can skip the effort I would put in that will be wasted anyways.

You don’t know?

The conditions and the treatment of workers is inhumane. You would have to be very isolated or ignorant to not be aware.

The Family of Xi Jinping (General Secretary): Independent journalistic investigations and unclassified intelligence reports document that Xi’s immediate family (siblings, nieces, and nephews) amassed business investments, real estate, and financial holdings valued at over $1 billion. While Xi reportedly urged relatives to divest from some holdings upon taking power in 2012, intelligence audits confirm that his family continues to hold millions in indirect investments

The Family of Wen Jiabao (Former Premier): A landmark forensic investigation revealed that the former Premier’s mother, wife, son, and siblings controlled corporate assets and hidden investment vehicles worth at least $2.7 billion.

The Broader Politburo Elite: Systemic wealth tracking indicates that high-ranking party families routinely leverage political clout to secure lucrative stakes in state-dominated sectors, including real estate, heavy infrastructure, finance, and telecommunications

The intersection of wealth and political influence is highly visible in China’s two legislative and advisory bodies: the National People’s Congress (NPC) and the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC)

The annual meetings of these bodies are regularly dubbed the “world’s wealthiest parliament”. Data compiled by the Hurun Research Institute shows that dozens of China’s absolute wealthiest billionaires serve concurrently as delegates or political advisers within these state institutions, providing them direct input on economic policy. Research indicates that acquiring an NPC or CPPCC seat serves as a massive accelerator for private sector tycoons looking to protect and boost their initial wealth accumulation.

Top officials technically hold nothing in their own names. Instead, wealth is channeled through a complex system of “white gloves”—trusted business proxies, corporate lawyers, and extended family members who manage multi-million dollar corporate shares and offshore shells

Elites leverage political connections to obtain below-market loans from state banks, exclusive permits for state-backed strategic industries, and lucrative municipal land-use rights.

Data shows that a household with at least one CCP member is, on average, 21% to 24% wealthier than a non-party household, heavily driven by early access to privatized prime real estate.

Are you sure it is the working class who controls the state? Maybe in China the working class are millionaires and billionaires?

Does the working class in China have control of the state currently? Or is it the wealthy and powerful in China who control the state? Aren’t most high ranking CCP members wealthy and not working class? I think someone has lied to you and you believed it without questions.

Also what business does china have controlling 80% of the mines in Congo while they commit human atrocities? Can you tell them to please stop buying off our politicians and torturing our people.

Is China a socialist country? Also are they not imperialists in east Africa? Can you please tell Chinese companies to leave Africa alone and leave the Congo, Kenya, and Tanzania? I would appreciate it. Africa is growing slowly but these local leaders are from the devil for sure. They sell our nation and our resources to whoever will pay them personally. In spite of the corruption things are developing.