I’m not saying it’s any easier to understand, but it’s at least present enough on Lemmy to be worth studying, because it’s definitely not a left right or r d thing. It’s ubiquitous.

And I think another commenter made the point that I strongly agree with, that much of this is based in personality and identity; but that isn’t an inherent vice. Rather, if maybe we outline it as two ways of coming to a thing; maybe you are borne into a identity, and then later you come to understand the ideas that idea represents versus coming to some conclusions and the becoming the identity associated with them. The second, though maybe superficially seems more defensive, is far less human: it’s just not actually how most people work. And if you want rhetoric to work, you have to accept people where they are at and meet them there.