There are multiple layers of reinforcement - it’s tied up in their religion, personal identity, friend groups.
They have doubts but like any cult, when your life is essentially founded on zealous dogma, even if you have a large amount of cognitive dissonance over what you and the cult are doing, you can’t reject it because rejecting it means rejecting your family, your friends, and your own identity, and likely also making enemies of everyone who comprises your support group.
It’s part of why, as satisfying as it is, I can’t really be on board with just telling ex-MAGA “you did this to yourself” and to go eat a penis. All that does is isolate them and make them likelier to relapse into the cult, the only welcoming group available to them.
I mean…I don’t see the appeal of saying them trying gay things is a funny joke.
Because here’s the thing. If a maga person tried sucking a dick, and realized he really liked it? Ok. That’s fine. I wouldn’t think less of them for being gay.
I think less of them for supporting and enabling fascist political groups that force their policies on all of us. The kind of politicians that “Don’t ever consider the financial situation of their citizens”.
I think less of people who support pedophiles. I couldn’t care less what genitalia they enjoy in their mouth.
Its not a joke its like they just had to discard like their entire identity to be less evil time to experiment why not try some new shit sexually real recommendation
That may be because you’re too smart to think of politics as team sports.
Unfortunately, there’s a majority of people who see it as tribalism because they don’t have the intelligence to think about politics further than Red vs Blue.
He used to run ESPN and brought the shouting talking heads 4square to “news” broadcasting when he moved to fox. He is the reason that the news is no longer the news, it’s because of him we don’t watch the news to find out what happened, and instead watch the news so that we can know how to feel about it…
He weaponized the angry red-faced bald white men yelling over each other, it was great when it was coaches but it’s destroyed society and scrambled fragile voter brains
You mean voting ‘responsibly’ doesnt mean voting ‘blue no matter what’ like some people thought the voices meant? Like voting to save a country from a fascist rapist who is doing the things he said he would do, doesnt mean you support GENOCIDE? What will they think of next…?
There are also a lot of people who don’t believe dinosaurs existed because it conflicts with the in-universe explanation from their magic book written by imaginary friends…
There are also a lot of people who believe the earth is flat…
This is what I think. Let’s take Mamdani for an example. I think what he’s doing is great and I would vote for him if I lived in New York, in a heartbeat. He’s doing exactly what we want a politician to do. He was inspiring before he won. Then I heard a recent interview and he was avoiding questions like a “real” politician and not talking real talk. It was annoying, even though I still think he’s great.
I think trump spoke like they would. Of course, he was conning them and saying everything just vague enough to think he was always saying what they wanted to hear. He has a way to do it that is very slick, it’s his superpower. Plus he’s racist and was doing dog whistles left and right.
Ya know what tho, I ain’t even mad at the first time trump voter, I get that shit. Everything is broken and everyone is getting fucked, so you take your vote and you vote for change. If the establishment sucks you vote for the anti establishment candidate… Just imagine the world we live in of that anti establishment candidate had been Bernie and not pedo 🤡
Same. These people say “business man” the way some morons talk about someone being a “xtian man”.
WTF is the value in either of those things? Neither one describe anything, really, about their character or their ability to govern.
When I hear “business man”, I usually think of Carlin talking about the business man with the big smile plastered on his face, the better to position himself behind the “customer” in order to “service” them better.
I’m not saying it’s any easier to understand, but it’s at least present enough on Lemmy to be worth studying, because it’s definitely not a left right or r d thing. It’s ubiquitous.
And I think another commenter made the point that I strongly agree with, that much of this is based in personality and identity; but that isn’t an inherent vice. Rather, if maybe we outline it as two ways of coming to a thing; maybe you are borne into a identity, and then later you come to understand the ideas that idea represents versus coming to some conclusions and the becoming the identity associated with them. The second, though maybe superficially seems more defensive, is far less human: it’s just not actually how most people work. And if you want rhetoric to work, you have to accept people where they are at and meet them there.
I don’t get loyalty to a politician
There are multiple layers of reinforcement - it’s tied up in their religion, personal identity, friend groups.
They have doubts but like any cult, when your life is essentially founded on zealous dogma, even if you have a large amount of cognitive dissonance over what you and the cult are doing, you can’t reject it because rejecting it means rejecting your family, your friends, and your own identity, and likely also making enemies of everyone who comprises your support group.
It’s part of why, as satisfying as it is, I can’t really be on board with just telling ex-MAGA “you did this to yourself” and to go eat a penis. All that does is isolate them and make them likelier to relapse into the cult, the only welcoming group available to them.
Might be good for some of them to try eating dick though while they’re experimenting with like different stuff
I mean…I don’t see the appeal of saying them trying gay things is a funny joke.
Because here’s the thing. If a maga person tried sucking a dick, and realized he really liked it? Ok. That’s fine. I wouldn’t think less of them for being gay.
I think less of them for supporting and enabling fascist political groups that force their policies on all of us. The kind of politicians that “Don’t ever consider the financial situation of their citizens”.
I think less of people who support pedophiles. I couldn’t care less what genitalia they enjoy in their mouth.
He didn’t say suck a dick though. He said eat a dick. I always took eat a dick to be a pejorative regardless of the orientation of the target.
Its not a joke its like they just had to discard like their entire identity to be less evil time to experiment why not try some new shit sexually real recommendation
That may be because you’re too smart to think of politics as team sports.
Unfortunately, there’s a majority of people who see it as tribalism because they don’t have the intelligence to think about politics further than Red vs Blue.
The sports team thing is so fucked up we need to stop doing that
You can blame Jamie Horowitz for that…
He used to run ESPN and brought the shouting talking heads 4square to “news” broadcasting when he moved to fox. He is the reason that the news is no longer the news, it’s because of him we don’t watch the news to find out what happened, and instead watch the news so that we can know how to feel about it…
He weaponized the angry red-faced bald white men yelling over each other, it was great when it was coaches but it’s destroyed society and scrambled fragile voter brains
You mean voting ‘responsibly’ doesnt mean voting ‘blue no matter what’ like some people thought the voices meant? Like voting to save a country from a fascist rapist who is doing the things he said he would do, doesnt mean you support GENOCIDE? What will they think of next…?
So many people told me they voted for him the first time because he was a business man, and not a politician…
Uhm, since when the fuck are businessmen reliable??? When someone says business man I think of like an unctious used car salesman.
There are a lot of people who think ability to make money equals superiority.
There are also a lot of people who think government would be better if it were run as a for-profit organization.
There are also a lot of people who don’t believe dinosaurs existed because it conflicts with the in-universe explanation from their magic book written by imaginary friends…
There are also a lot of people who believe the earth is flat…
People are fucking stupid, americans doubly so.
“I trust the business man” says person who has literally never trusted anyone with authority on that principle
This is what I think. Let’s take Mamdani for an example. I think what he’s doing is great and I would vote for him if I lived in New York, in a heartbeat. He’s doing exactly what we want a politician to do. He was inspiring before he won. Then I heard a recent interview and he was avoiding questions like a “real” politician and not talking real talk. It was annoying, even though I still think he’s great.
I think trump spoke like they would. Of course, he was conning them and saying everything just vague enough to think he was always saying what they wanted to hear. He has a way to do it that is very slick, it’s his superpower. Plus he’s racist and was doing dog whistles left and right.
Ya know what tho, I ain’t even mad at the first time trump voter, I get that shit. Everything is broken and everyone is getting fucked, so you take your vote and you vote for change. If the establishment sucks you vote for the anti establishment candidate… Just imagine the world we live in of that anti establishment candidate had been Bernie and not pedo 🤡
Same. These people say “business man” the way some morons talk about someone being a “xtian man”.
WTF is the value in either of those things? Neither one describe anything, really, about their character or their ability to govern.
When I hear “business man”, I usually think of Carlin talking about the business man with the big smile plastered on his face, the better to position himself behind the “customer” in order to “service” them better.
https://www.facebook.com/TheTwistedGrinComedy/videos/customer-service-george-carlin-customerservice-parttimelife-standupcomedy-comedy/2169108456800893/
Sunk cost fallacy
I’m not saying it’s any easier to understand, but it’s at least present enough on Lemmy to be worth studying, because it’s definitely not a left right or r d thing. It’s ubiquitous.
And I think another commenter made the point that I strongly agree with, that much of this is based in personality and identity; but that isn’t an inherent vice. Rather, if maybe we outline it as two ways of coming to a thing; maybe you are borne into a identity, and then later you come to understand the ideas that idea represents versus coming to some conclusions and the becoming the identity associated with them. The second, though maybe superficially seems more defensive, is far less human: it’s just not actually how most people work. And if you want rhetoric to work, you have to accept people where they are at and meet them there.