The Indian operator just finished his shift
My optimist: surely Musk will not be able to get away with being caught in this obvious lie.
My realist: he’s gonna get away with it again.
The optimistic take is that no one is that stupid.
The realistic take is that musk fanboys will claim that the robot is so advanced, that it thinks it’s alive and mimics someone taking his headset off, because it has seen it.
I’m sure we’ll see, “the AI was trained on human operator recordings - which unfortunately included headset removal actions, Tesla is now working to filter that from the model”.
Be funnier if the robot ripped its own head off.
I kinda clicked into here expecting that outcome
Robocop 2 is a hell of a movie.
He doesn’t shoot then off, he tears them off.
Upside: Service workers can now work from home
Reality: Prisoners can and will be required to work as service workers from their prison cells.
Well shit….
Surrogates coming true I see.
Love this movie actually
I remember this movie…. Bruce Willis right?
Droptimus.
Elon Musk once again proving that he’s more of a Justin Hammer than a Tony Stark (who was already a problematic figure, but at least had talent and SOME sense of right and wrong)
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What I thought of immediately.
I came here expecting to post it myself, delighted to not have to put in the effort.
Kind of what I hoped happened, without the corpse. Could have been cool to see it rip its head off.
What is this from?
It’s a scene from 1990’s RoboCop 2.
Oh sh— I gotta check that out.
There was a RoboCop 2!?
Must’ve been so bad that I blanked it out of my memory.edit: Nevermind lol. I’ll check it out, thanks.
Robocop 2 is the superior movie IMO. The story, action, basically everything is improved. Definitely check it out if you’re a fan of the first one.
I don’t quite agree, RoboCop 2 lacked some of the depth of the original in my opinion and come on: can you really beat Ronny Cox and Kurtwood Smith as the villainous duo? 😉
Having said that, RoboCop 2 is definitely still worth watching!
No, RoboCop 2 is alright. RoboCop is probably my favorite movie. RoboCop 2 is good, not as deep, not as gratuitous, nor perfectly campy as the first but good enough for a watch. 3 is not, don’t waste your time… Even Peter Weller didn’t come back.
The remake totally missed the mark; had some interesting ideas and callbacks to the originated but didn’t know how to capture the tone and thought of the original and took itself too seriously.I personally like 2 better, but you’re spot on. I would say the game on PS5 is the true RoboCop 3 lol.
I also love that the original is a perfect chiachism: a palindrome of a film, every scene at the start as a mirror at the end.
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Remember cyberguy? I like the energy.
With his delicate all these robots move it’s nice to see one throwing some weight around. And it’s holding up really well, you’d assume a connection would come loose after the first swing.
Trial and
ERROR!!!amirite
Everything about Elon Musk is a scam.
I was so confused, I thought it had accidentally done a Nazi salute while removing the headset and then it shut down as some sort of rule.
I had no idea that instead of a person standing there doing whatever a person controls it remotely. What a great idea for nuclear waste clean up, fucking terrible for handing out water.
You can know that isn’t the case because a Nazi salute would be encouraged by Musk, not shut it down.
Sorry to disappoint you, but there’s no way this thing is usable for nuclear waste cleanup. in comparison, the cleanup crews in Chernobyl wanted to use robots to clear the graphite rubble off the roof of the power plant after the accident because of the high radiation levels there, but the radiation was crashing them pretty much instantly, forcing them to use human liquidators.
Components these days are surely even less resistant to radiation, because of much higher density parts which ensures that the memory and cache in this thing would look like after a blender treatment.
Well you can make radiation resistant electronics or shield them with lead.
But I would design a robot that has at least 4 wheels or legs.
Falling over is sth you don’t want to happen.
You aren’t going to get a wireless connection in a radiation zone.
Yesnt. Just use a different frequency.
Or cables
Why would consumer electronics be radiation hardened? But I didn’t to say that we can’t do radiation hardened robots it’s just that these ones won’t be it.
Have NASA design them. They already do radiation hardening for outer space.
Components these days are surely even less resistant to radiation
I’d disagree, we’ve had 4 decades to learn how to better harden electronics in high radiation environments. off the shelf stuff? sure that would be fucked. purposely designed:
https://www.jalopnik.com/these-robots-go-into-fukushima-daiichi-so-people-don-t-1850032340/
We are talking about something designed by a company owned by Musk that is already faking autonomy, The tech you write about is specialized for this line of work, and none of it is wireless, humanoid and have the processing power to work autonomously. But i’m happy that a part of this work can finally be done remotely.
wasn’t opining on musks shitware. just the idea that there’s no way to operate in high rad environments.
Yeah I used to work in a chip company many years ago and we had rad hardened chips that had special outer packages instead of the normal consumer ones at a minimum. They’re typically used for space stuff. Still not sure how well they’d hold up in Chernobyl in fairness.
for specially designed purposes, I’d say from the links above someone’s figured it out.
That’s very interesting. Robots are less resistant to radiation than humans? So when robots take the jobs of people, production is made more vulnerable to nuclear weapons?
Humans are, in general, absurdly robust. You can absolutely mess them up, and they will keep chugging along for a while before breaking down. Not to mention their almost frightening ability to make a full recovery from horrendous injuries.
Most robots/machines will be more or less completely disabled by a faulty connection, clogged valve, or torn hydraulic line. Sure, you can shield them more, but for stuff like radiation, dust, and harsh environments that cause gradual degradation, you’re going to have a very hard time beating the resilience of humans.
Bleep Bloop… it is clearly advantageous that we use humans to operate in harsh environments rather that robots… Bleep Ding.
And don’t forget cheaper!
Which is why its imperative that little Timmy is sent to the mines despite all the risks and occupational health hazard that will eventually kill them.
in a way. Cell damage can be repaired when it occurs in low amounts and even broken DNA strands can be fixed by the machinery in our cells. Most importantly, our systems are very much redundant on a cellular level, losing a few cells is not so much of an issue, since we lose cells every day anyways. Computers have nearly no redundancy; in some cases, a single bit flipped by a gamma ray can cause a system crash in any computer. There is stuff like ECC for memory which helps, but even that isn’t foolproof. Computers for space missions outside of earths magnetosphere are designed to make sure the density of components isn’t too high, with lots of error correction code, backups and a lot of lead shielding, which equals lower performance.
I think you are both overestimating the ability of biological systems and underestimating the ability of mechanical systems to be repaired.
Biological systems have incredible self-repair capabilities, but are otherwise largely unrepairable. To fix issues with biological systems you mostly have to work within the bounds of those self-repair mechanisms which are slow, poorly understood and rather limited.
Loosing a few skin cells is perfectly normal. Corrupting a few skin cells can cancer cancers or autoimmune disorders. Loosing a few Purkinje cells can lead to significant motor impairment and death.
Computers, and mechanical systems in general, can have a shit ton of redundancy. You mention ECC, but neglected to mention the layers of error connection, BIST, and redundancy that even the cheap, broken, cost-optimized, planned obsolescence consumer crap that most people are mostly familiar with make heavy use of.
A single bit flipped by a gamma ray will not cause any sort of issue in any modern computer. I cannot overstate how often this and other memory errors happen. A double bit flip can cause issues in a poorly designed system and, again, are not just caused by cosmic rays. However, it’s not usually that hard to have multiple redundancies if that is a concern, such as with high altitude, extreme environment, highly miniaturized, etc. objects. It does increase cost and complexity though so____
The huge benefit of mechanical systems is they are fully explainable and replaceable. CPU get a bunch of radiation and seems to be acting a bit weird? Replace it! Motor burnt out? Replace it! The new system will be good as new or better.
You can’t do that in a biological system. Even with autografts (using the person’s own tissues for “replacements”) the risk of scarring, rejection and malignancy remains fairly high and doesn’t result in “good as new” outcome, but is somewhere between ‘death’ and ‘minor permanent injury’. Allografts (doner tissues) often need lifelong medications and maintenance to not fail, and even “minor” transplants carry the risk of infection, necrosis and death.
That study doesn’t seem to support the point you’re trying to use it to support. First it’s talking about machines with error correcting RAM, which most consumer devices don’t have. The whole point of error correcting RAM is that it tolerates a single bit flip in a memory cell and can detect a second one and, e.g. trigger a shutdown rather than the computer just doing what the now-incorrect value tells it to (which might be crashing, might be emitting an incorrect result, or might be something benign). Consumer devices don’t have this protection (until DDR5, which can fix a single bit flip, but won’t detect a second, so it can still trigger misbehaviour). Also, the data in the tables gives figures around 10% for the chance of an individual device experiencing an unrecoverable error per year, which isn’t really that often, especially given that most software is buggy enough that you’d be lucky to use it for a year with only a 10% chance of it doing something wrong.
It also means humans will be progressively pushed into the most dangerous jobs because the robot circuitry can’t cope with harsh environments. The easy cushy jobs will go to the robots.
Could be some exceptions.
Off the top of my head: Anything with poisonous gases. Anything where there’s a RISK of an explosion or something (so the robots would work before the explosion; this is kinda already a thing with bomb disposal robots, isn’t it?). Etc.
So for sure anything nuclear will have to be human, but there could be other environments where robots survive, but humans won’t.
2025 version of the mechanical turk
Indeed, a case for Amazon’s Mechanical Turk, a service that is shamelessly and deliberately named after its historical model. The principle has not changed after all this time: poorly paid people do the work to make it look as if machines could perform the task - as if it were an unprecedented technological breakthrough, as if it were some kind of magic.
It is a very popular thing among all the companies that claim that “artificial intelligence” was the future.
Edit: However, this does not appear to be a demonstration of autonomous technology.
Edit edit: Apparently, this was actually intended as a demonstration of autonomous technology - any source other than Reddit would be more credible.
They’ve already demonstrated time and again that these robots only exist so the rich can have slaves without actually having to see or interact with the slaves. They even had their robot strength nerfed so that there could be no uprising.
I thought Mturk was primarily used for labeling data for ML models, i.e., “here’s data. Look at it and give it a label according to our specifications”. Do they have a component of Mturk for piloting devices?
It existed before that use case was prominent. Basically it was for whatever trivial for people but hard for machines task you could have people do over the Internet.
I can’t answer that competently, but I can well imagine it, because there is demand for it.
Mecha Türk intensifies
I want to see footage of the backroom where the controllers are located so badly. Imagine how silly it must look, just a room full of people wearing VR headsets while trying to make their movements look as robotic as possible.
Also notice how it crushes the water bottle? Not safe to be around.
First thing I noticed. This is like standing next to a manufacturing robot, except without the black and yellow safety square that tells you how far its reach is.
