In the UK, they make you pledge allegiance to serve the crown at the citizenship ceremony, which symbolically establishes that your loyalties lie with the British throne and therefore the state.
In practice, if drafted or if I for some reason volunteer, I would side with whoever I actually sided with morally and ideologically.
e.g. I’d choose the West over the current Fascist Russian regime, but theoretically back a progressive Russia against a Fascist West and so on.
This could mean anything from actively serving to dodging the draft to civilian resistance in case of occupation.
Theoretically a foreign legion isn’t anything too uncommon. There were some Russians fighting alongside Ukraine against Russia last I checked. Being in that case a Ukrainian citizen would only help.
In case of service I imagine there would be the problem of inevitable racism towards me from the natives while in service if people of my nationality/ethnicity are the current enemy, especially if it’s like the Japanese internment camps in the US level of hate, so that would be a consideration, plus more practical/logistical matters like which language I can actually speak properly enough to function in critical situations etc.
This is an interesting question though, is there historical accounts of such groups like this I wonder?
I’m an Chinese-American and I oppose CCP but I just wonder if this… ahem this administration start some war shit, and if it really starts, I honestly have zero idea what to do.
Obviously I’m morally opposed to CCP so I cannot side with PRC. But I also don’t feel like siding with this rogue administration that has a history of violating the constitution.
I would hope to not die, but like if I get drafted, I have no issues shooting PLA soldiers, especially if its in defence of Taiwan. But still, kinda feel wrong to be under the command of… you know… that guy (who shall not be named).
That’s a tough. Normally I would hope there’d be an easy choice, but things have changed really quickly.
I don’t know much about real life in China but every time the current American administration violates human rights or represses science sacrifices our future to line their pockets or attack our friends and allies, it seems like I read about the Chinese government moving in the opposite direction. The direction of “good”, the direction the US always claimed to be. They seem to be making a lot of smart moves for their economic, technical and scientific future, and for larger influence as a global citizen. I have no way to evaluate the current level of repression but they’re at least saying alot of the right things
I remember all kinds of stories. Smoking like a chimney and getting drunk as fuck before and dressing like a tourist with a camera as you enter the mandatory meeting thing.
Of course the criteria to get drafted are different through places and time, but try to figure out the process, and what would eliminate you from getting drafted.
Also, it’s literally in one of those declassified CIA handbooks, that one of the ways to hijack an organisation from the inside is to be incompetent as fuck. Eager, but incompetent. Report any meaningless thing that technically is report worthy, to clog up the pipelines, make meetings way too long and talk about meaningless details.
Of course the criteria to get drafted are different through places and time, but try to figure out the process, and what would eliminate you from getting drafted.
I have depression. Good enough excuse?
Also my BMI is kinda um… actually by American standards they might just draft me anyways lmao.
But my vision is shit, literally can’t aim if I don’t have glasses.
Hope you’re asking theoretically.
In the UK, they make you pledge allegiance to serve the crown at the citizenship ceremony, which symbolically establishes that your loyalties lie with the British throne and therefore the state.
In practice, if drafted or if I for some reason volunteer, I would side with whoever I actually sided with morally and ideologically.
e.g. I’d choose the West over the current Fascist Russian regime, but theoretically back a progressive Russia against a Fascist West and so on.
This could mean anything from actively serving to dodging the draft to civilian resistance in case of occupation.
Theoretically a foreign legion isn’t anything too uncommon. There were some Russians fighting alongside Ukraine against Russia last I checked. Being in that case a Ukrainian citizen would only help.
In case of service I imagine there would be the problem of inevitable racism towards me from the natives while in service if people of my nationality/ethnicity are the current enemy, especially if it’s like the Japanese internment camps in the US level of hate, so that would be a consideration, plus more practical/logistical matters like which language I can actually speak properly enough to function in critical situations etc.
This is an interesting question though, is there historical accounts of such groups like this I wonder?
I’m an Chinese-American and I oppose CCP but I just wonder if this… ahem this administration start some war shit, and if it really starts, I honestly have zero idea what to do.
Obviously I’m morally opposed to CCP so I cannot side with PRC. But I also don’t feel like siding with this rogue administration that has a history of violating the constitution.
I would hope to not die, but like if I get drafted, I have no issues shooting PLA soldiers, especially if its in defence of Taiwan. But still, kinda feel wrong to be under the command of… you know… that guy (who shall not be named).
That’s a tough. Normally I would hope there’d be an easy choice, but things have changed really quickly.
I don’t know much about real life in China but every time the current American administration violates human rights or represses science sacrifices our future to line their pockets or attack our friends and allies, it seems like I read about the Chinese government moving in the opposite direction. The direction of “good”, the direction the US always claimed to be. They seem to be making a lot of smart moves for their economic, technical and scientific future, and for larger influence as a global citizen. I have no way to evaluate the current level of repression but they’re at least saying alot of the right things
Germany has quite the culture of draft dodging.
I remember all kinds of stories. Smoking like a chimney and getting drunk as fuck before and dressing like a tourist with a camera as you enter the mandatory meeting thing.
Of course the criteria to get drafted are different through places and time, but try to figure out the process, and what would eliminate you from getting drafted.
Also, it’s literally in one of those declassified CIA handbooks, that one of the ways to hijack an organisation from the inside is to be incompetent as fuck. Eager, but incompetent. Report any meaningless thing that technically is report worthy, to clog up the pipelines, make meetings way too long and talk about meaningless details.
I have depression. Good enough excuse?
Also my BMI is kinda um… actually by American standards they might just draft me anyways lmao.
But my vision is shit, literally can’t aim if I don’t have glasses.
May I be excused, Uncle Sam?
Why did you tell me to kill myself?